How can we restore our forests save world wild envirnmental

our Q&A this evening is all about Twee and forests which is one of me and

How can we restore our forests

and forests which is one of me and Veronica’s absolutely favorite topics.Veronica’s absolutely favorite topics we’re both I think. I would say massivewe’re both. I think. I would say massive Tree. Huggers yes. I feel like I’mTree Huggers yes .I feel like I’m comfortable saying that so the title ofcomfortable saying that so the title of the Q&A we’re going to have this eveningthe Q&A we’re going to have this evening is how can we stop deforestation andis how can we stop deforestation and restore our forests around the globe sorestore our forests around the globe so R both you and me worked on a bigR both you and me worked on a big beautiful Global Forest report Forestbeautiful Global Forest report Forest Pathways report recently but we were

 

Pathways report recently but we were talking in that report about this real

 

talking in that report about this real kind of Crisis point that our forests

kind of Crisis point that our forests are at um but we both look at very

are at um but we both look at very different bits of this big broad profile

 

different bits of this big broad profile of forest work that goes on here at WWF

 

of forest work that goes on here at WWF so before we move on to questions I

 

so before we move on to questions I thought maybe we’d do some introductions

 

 

thought maybe we’d do some introductions and tell people what we do what we do

 

 

and tell people what we do what we do here yeah

here yeah

 

 

absolutely

absolutely so I’m going to talk I guess about the

 

 

so I’m going to talk I guess about the science work and then and then hand over

 

 

science work and then and then hand over and we’ll talk about the bigger picture

 

and we’ll talk about the bigger picture stuff as well so my name’s Mary gagen

 

stuff as well so my name’s Mary gagen and I work in the science team here at

 

and I work in the science team here at WWF UK so looking at the broader

 

WWF UK so looking at the broader scientific evidence I guess for how our

 

 

scientific evidence I guess for how our forests are being impacted by climate

 

 

forests are being impacted by climate change and all of the different threats

 

change and all of the different threats and drivers of deforestation and how

 

and drivers of deforestation and how that kind of comes together to the

 

that kind of comes together to the picture of Def frustation that you see

 

 

picture of Def frustation that you see now um so I’m a scientist by background

 

now um so I’m a scientist by background and Veronica you look at a different but

 

and Veronica you look at a different but super super important area as well yeah

 

super super important area as well yeah so very nice to see you to meet you I am

 

so very nice to see you to meet you I am Veronica um and I am the global

 

Veronica um and I am the global deforestation and conversion free on our

 

 

deforestation and conversion free on our supply chains agenda in WWF

 

supply chains agenda in WWF International which as Mary says is a

 

International which as Mary says is a key agenda for our organization and is

 

key agenda for our organization and is making sure that we are working on the

 

 

making sure that we are working on the transformation of our food Food Systems

 

 

transformation of our food Food Systems and making more sustainable our

 

and making more sustainable our consumption and production patterns

 

consumption and production patterns which is a key thing if we want to

 

which is a key thing if we want to restore the forest and the other

 

 

restore the forest and the other ecosystems that we are living

 

 

ecosystems that we are living in so I think one of the things that um

 

 

in so I think one of the things that um was very clear to me when I joined WWF

 

 

was very clear to me when I joined WWF I’m a slightly newer Panda more recent

 

 

I’m a slightly newer Panda more recent Panda was yeah how much work there is

 

 

Panda was yeah how much work there is that goes on around how connected what’s

 

 

that goes on around how connected what’s happening in our forests are to our food

 

happening in our forests are to our food system so it might it might be a

 

system so it might it might be a surprise to some of our um some of our

 

surprise to some of our um some of our folks watching so we’re going to talk

 

folks watching so we’re going to talk about that a bit more later on um

 

about that a bit more later on um actually because we spent quite a lot of

 

actually because we spent quite a lot of time talking about trees actually I’m

 

 

time talking about trees actually I’m just G to go ahead and say

 

just G to go ahead and say that so um while we’re waiting for

 

 

that so um while we’re waiting for people to join and before we go on to to

 

people to join and before we go on to to the main Q&A um I thought it would be

 

the main Q&A um I thought it would be really good to actually talk about the

 

 

really good to actually talk about the trees that were near us when we when we

 

 

trees that were near us when we when we grew up CU I know we talked about this

 

 

grew up CU I know we talked about this and that you know I remember the trees

 

and that you know I remember the trees from my childhood and I think they were

 

 

from my childhood and I think they were really important in turning me into

 

 

really important in turning me into somebody who wanted to work on on the SS

 

somebody who wanted to work on on the SS behind our our um trees and I know we

 

 

behind our our um trees and I know we both grew up in cities but cities on

 

both grew up in cities but cities on opposite sides of the ocean so I grew up

 

 

opposite sides of the ocean so I grew up in Manchester um in the north of of

 

 

in Manchester um in the north of of England and the in quite a suburb and

 

 

England and the in quite a suburb and you know not not in a particularly green

 

 

you know not not in a particularly green part but there were these big beautiful

part but there were these big beautiful Elm trees all along the street that I

Elm trees all along the street that I lived on and when we were kids our whole

lived on and when we were kids our whole life revolved around these Elm trees we

life revolved around these Elm trees we played games hide and seek behind them

played games hide and seek behind them and we invented this whole world where

and we invented this whole world where people lived in the bark like you do

people lived in the bark like you do when you’re were a child and then when.when you’re were a child and then when when I was about 10 like a lots of trees

when I was about 10 like a lots of trees in the UK they got Dutch elm disease and

in the UK they got Dutch elm disease and I remember really clearly the whole

 

 

I remember really clearly the whole street having to be filed in W go and

 

 

street having to be filed in W go and suddenly these trees were kind of gone

 

 

suddenly these trees were kind of gone from my life so I remember those trees

 

from my life so I remember those trees really clearly when I was when I was a

 

really clearly when I was when I was a child but what what trees were you grew

 

child but what what trees were you grew up in a very different place yeah so

 

up in a very different place yeah so mine are is the tropical forest I was

 

 

mine are is the tropical forest I was from I am from bot and I grew up in bota

 

from I am from bot and I grew up in bota and there um my absolute favorite tree

 

and there um my absolute favorite tree is the jaruma tree which the scientific

 

is the jaruma tree which the scientific name is copia Pata um and yeah it’s

 

 

name is copia Pata um and yeah it’s something that really connects me to

 

 

something that really connects me to home whenever I’m in Colombia whenever I

 

home whenever I’m in Colombia whenever I see a jumo it connects me to what I’m

 

 

see a jumo it connects me to what I’m doing it reminds me of why I love nature

 

 

doing it reminds me of why I love nature so much and how important it is to

 

so much and how important it is to protect a trees and ecosystem so it’s

 

protect a trees and ecosystem so it’s been something that has been connecting

 

 

been something that has been connecting me to this sector and this field of work

 

me to this sector and this field of work since I was very very young so it has a

 

since I was very very young so it has a very personal meaning but professional

 

 

very personal meaning but professional meaning to me um and yeah it’s it’s a

 

meaning to me um and yeah it’s it’s a great memory that I have whenever I see

 

great memory that I have whenever I see them a Juma tree are they really big

 

 

them a Juma tree are they really big trees or they yeah they’re massive trees

 

 

trees or they yeah they’re massive trees they can have like green leaves or

 

 

they can have like green leaves or silver leaves U so they can call them

 

 

silver leaves U so they can call them like the white jumo or silver jumo which

 

 

like the white jumo or silver jumo which beautiful and sometimes they call it

 

 

beautiful and sometimes they call it like the bear claw because they look

 

 

like the bear claw because they look like a bear claw they’re massive they

 

like a bear claw they’re massive they have five yeah they have like big ones

 

have five yeah they have like big ones so yeah this it’s a great one it’s a

 

so yeah this it’s a great one it’s a great memory for

 

great memory for me yeah we I think um and share our

 

 

me yeah we I think um and share our share your memories of of the trees that

 

share your memories of of the trees that were around you when you were a child in

 

 

were around you when you were a child in the in the chat and we’d love to love to

 

the in the chat and we’d love to love to hear about more trees from your

 

hear about more trees from your childhood um so we really want to thank

 

childhood um so we really want to thank you for all your thoughts and questions

 

 

you for all your thoughts and questions so lots of you over over the past few

 

 

so lots of you over over the past few months have shown how How Deeply that

 

 

months have shown how How Deeply that you care about the trees and forests in

 

 

you care about the trees and forests in your lives and these issues that that

 

your lives and these issues that that we’re talking about um so we’re going to

 

 

we’re talking about um so we’re going to we’re going to dive in and talk a little

 

 

we’re going to dive in and talk a little bit

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about the big cop going on at the moment I think how me which may I say Mary has

 

 

I think how me which may I say Mary has bravely just arrived from cop she just

 

 

bravely just arrived from cop she just landed from from a plane here so we’re

 

 

landed from from a plane here so we’re very grateful to have her and you have

 

 

very grateful to have her and you have all of the insights yes you have all of

 

all of the insights yes you have all of the insights from cop so we’re very much

 

the insights from cop so we’re very much looking forward how it was to hear how

 

 

looking forward how it was to hear how it was and and all of the events that

 

 

it was and and all of the events that happened around cop and so so trees

 

 

happened around cop and so so trees forests were a very big part of of this

 

forests were a very big part of of this cop I should say it’s still going on um

 

cop I should say it’s still going on um very often um the scientists tend to

 

very often um the scientists tend to leave before the whole conference

 

leave before the whole conference finishes because that’s when the the

 

 

finishes because that’s when the the real negotiations ramp up and we’ll be

 

 

real negotiations ramp up and we’ll be our friends who are in the negotiation

 

our friends who are in the negotiation teams will not be getting a lot of sleep

 

 

teams will not be getting a lot of sleep um over the next few nights um and big

 

 

um over the next few nights um and big shout out and hello hello to them and

 

shout out and hello hello to them and lots of love because they’re still

 

 

lots of love because they’re still working very hard so wwsp asks for

 

 

working very hard so wwsp asks for global leaders and businesses at this

 

 

global leaders and businesses at this cop was to really secure the end of

 

 

cop was to really secure the end of deforestation because something really

 

 

deforestation because something really big happened some of you fored Glasgow

 

big happened some of you fored Glasgow cop um that was in the UK two years ago

 

cop um that was in the UK two years ago will probably remember this there was

 

will probably remember this there was this big commitment with Glasgow leaders

 

this big commitment with Glasgow leaders declaration to commit to end

 

declaration to commit to end deforestation to Halt it and reverse it

 

deforestation to Halt it and reverse it by

 

 

by 2013 and actually in relation to the

 

2013 and actually in relation to the work that you do Veronica there was

 

 

work that you do Veronica there was quite an exciting announcement in

 

 

quite an exciting announcement in relation to to deforestation and

 

 

relation to to deforestation and conversion free action cop as well

 

 

conversion free action cop as well wasn’t there tell about that yeah

 

 

wasn’t there tell about that yeah absolutely so um it was a great news

 

absolutely so um it was a great news that the UK government through the defra

 

 

that the UK government through the defra department announced some additional

 

department announced some additional details on the UK due diligence

 

 

details on the UK due diligence regulation on Forest risk Commodities so

 

regulation on Forest risk Commodities so there are two points that we wanted to

 

there are two points that we wanted to highlight on this due diligence

 

highlight on this due diligence regulation because it’s been much um

 

regulation because it’s been much um waited for everybody we were expecting

 

waited for everybody we were expecting to to listen to what the UK government

 

 

to to listen to what the UK government had to say about this and so the forest

 

 

had to say about this and so the forest RIS Commodities scheme will be

 

 

RIS Commodities scheme will be introduced through the of schedule 17 in

 

introduced through the of schedule 17 in the environment act in 2021 and the

 

the environment act in 2021 and the secondary legislation is meant to

 

 

secondary legislation is meant to operationalize those Provisions um in

 

 

operationalize those Provisions um in the next parliamentary times and we got

 

the next parliamentary times and we got some more information on the full list

 

 

some more information on the full list of Commodities and the common in scope

 

of Commodities and the common in scope which will be non-dairy cattle products

 

 

which will be non-dairy cattle products so beef and leather cocoa palm and soy

 

so beef and leather cocoa palm and soy and this regulation is really critical H

 

 

and this regulation is really critical H because WWF has estimated that between

 

 

because WWF has estimated that between 2016 and 2018

 

2016 and 2018 around 21 million hectares so roughly

 

around 21 million hectares so roughly the area almost the size of the UK was

 

 

the area almost the size of the UK was required each year to meet UK demand for

 

required each year to meet UK demand for seven forestry Commodities alone so this

 

seven forestry Commodities alone so this is absolutely critical and we are very

 

 

is absolutely critical and we are very keen and hopeful that the UK government

 

 

keen and hopeful that the UK government can move ahead with the secondary

 

can move ahead with the secondary legislation that we so much need for to

 

 

legislation that we so much need for to advance on this agenda so that would

 

 

advance on this agenda so that would mean um essentially this was about

 

 

mean um essentially this was about ensuring that when we when we buy

 

 

ensuring that when we when we buy products in the UK we can be confident

 

 

products in the UK we can be confident that those products haven’t been

 

 

that those products haven’t been associated with legal deforestation

 

 

associated with legal deforestation because I think for a lot of people you

 

 

because I think for a lot of people you might not be aware that you could be

 

might not be aware that you could be buying something yeah that that could

 

 

buying something yeah that that could have been associated with land being

 

have been associated with land being cleared illegally

 

 

cleared illegally overseas um but I wanted to ask you

 

 

overseas um but I wanted to ask you about another part of of deforestation

 

 

about another part of of deforestation and conversion fre as well because it

 

 

and conversion fre as well because it that’s the that’s the legislation that

 

that’s the that’s the legislation that that addresses illegal deforestation but

 

that addresses illegal deforestation but actually there’s a bigger issue as well

 

 

actually there’s a bigger issue as well isn’t there that I know a lot of your

 

 

isn’t there that I know a lot of your your work is on because at the moment a

 

your work is on because at the moment a lot of our trade and a lot of our

 

lot of our trade and a lot of our financial and subsidy systems actually

 

 

financial and subsidy systems actually support the conversion of forest to grow

 

support the conversion of forest to grow food but that’s so do you want to tell

 

 

food but that’s so do you want to tell tell us a little bit more about that

 

 

tell us a little bit more about that issue so that so the legal deforestation

 

issue so that so the legal deforestation and and what sort of work we’re doing to

 

and and what sort of work we’re doing to try and ensure because really we need

 

try and ensure because really we need all deforestation to stop ultimately

 

 

all deforestation to stop ultimately don’t we yes and I I think as ww have

 

 

don’t we yes and I I think as ww have been we we’ve been working a lot um on

 

been we we’ve been working a lot um on reviewing and assessing the EU du

 

reviewing and assessing the EU du legislation which um is is as well very

 

legislation which um is is as well very relevant in the space and it’s covering

 

relevant in the space and it’s covering both illegal and legal deforestation

 

both illegal and legal deforestation mainly because of what Mary just

 

 

mainly because of what Mary just explained so we are hoping or we are

 

explained so we are hoping or we are identifying that the UK due diligence

 

 

identifying that the UK due diligence legislation as it is it’s only covering

 

 

legislation as it is it’s only covering illegal deforestation so there is a

 

illegal deforestation so there is a loophole to be addressed and and we need

 

 

loophole to be addressed and and we need to assess ways on how to then um

 

to assess ways on how to then um identify those legal ER ways of clear

 

identify those legal ER ways of clear and the Forest L because at the moment

 

 

and the Forest L because at the moment in many of the producing countries it’s

 

 

in many of the producing countries it’s not so easy to tell when the forestation

 

not so easy to tell when the forestation is illegal or legal um or many of the

 

 

is illegal or legal um or many of the legal Frameworks or regulations that are

 

legal Frameworks or regulations that are in place in those producing countries um

 

 

in place in those producing countries um are sometimes incentivizing

 

 

are sometimes incentivizing deforestation or do not have the strong

 

deforestation or do not have the strong robust Frameworks that we need so it is

 

robust Frameworks that we need so it is something that we need to be mindful of

 

something that we need to be mindful of and it’s something that the organization

 

and it’s something that the organization has been flagging um and and we do the

 

 

has been flagging um and and we do the end need a full scope of legal and

 

 

end need a full scope of legal and illegal deforestation to be covered in

 

illegal deforestation to be covered in these kinds of of regulations and

 

 

these kinds of of regulations and Frameworks I know one of the things we

 

Frameworks I know one of the things we looked at in Pathways as well that I

 

looked at in Pathways as well that I know was um a big number a big

 

know was um a big number a big realization actually that the amount of

 

 

realization actually that the amount of forest positive funding that we put in

 

forest positive funding that we put in so so funding that helps us to protect

 

 

so so funding that helps us to protect and to restore forest is vastly vastly

 

and to restore forest is vastly vastly outweighed by this massive amount of

 

 

outweighed by this massive amount of precisely the kinds of subsidies that

 

 

precisely the kinds of subsidies that you were talking about that incentivize

 

you were talking about that incentivize the conversion of forest and it’s at

 

 

the conversion of forest and it’s at least a hundred times more funding goes

 

least a hundred times more funding goes into those activities so really really

 

into those activities so really really big reforms needed to you know it’s it’s

 

 

big reforms needed to you know it’s it’s our whole way of our whole food system

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

our Q&A this evening is all about Twee and forests which is one of me and

 

and forests which is one of me and Veronica’s absolutely favorite topics

 

Veronica’s absolutely favorite topics we’re both I think I would say massive

 

we’re both I think I would say massive Tree Huggers yes I feel like I’m

 

Tree Huggers yes I feel like I’m comfortable saying that so the title of

 

comfortable saying that so the title of the Q&A we’re going to have this evening

 

 

the Q&A we’re going to have this evening is how can we stop deforestation and

 

is how can we stop deforestation and restore our forests around the globe so

 

 

restore our forests around the globe so R both you and me worked on a big

 

 

R both you and me worked on a big beautiful Global Forest report Forest

 

 

beautiful Global Forest report Forest Pathways report recently but we were

 

Pathways report recently but we were talking in that report about this real

 

talking in that report about this real kind of Crisis point that our forests

kind of Crisis point that our forests are at um but we both look at very

 

are at um but we both look at very different bits of this big broad profile

 

different bits of this big broad profile of forest work that goes on here at WWF

 

of forest work that goes on here at WWF so before we move on to questions I

 

so before we move on to questions I thought maybe we’d do some introductions

 

 

thought maybe we’d do some introductions and tell people what we do what we do

 

 

and tell people what we do what we do here yeah

here yeah

 

 

absolutely

absolutely so I’m going to talk I guess about the

 

 

so I’m going to talk I guess about the science work and then and then hand over

 

 

science work and then and then hand over and we’ll talk about the bigger picture

 

and we’ll talk about the bigger picture stuff as well so my name’s Mary gagen

 

stuff as well so my name’s Mary gagen and I work in the science team here at

 

and I work in the science team here at WWF UK so looking at the broader

 

WWF UK so looking at the broader scientific evidence I guess for how our

 

 

scientific evidence I guess for how our forests are being impacted by climate

 

 

forests are being impacted by climate change and all of the different threats

 

change and all of the different threats and drivers of deforestation and how

 

and drivers of deforestation and how that kind of comes together to the

 

that kind of comes together to the picture of Def frustation that you see

 

 

picture of Def frustation that you see now um so I’m a scientist by background

 

now um so I’m a scientist by background and Veronica you look at a different but

 

and Veronica you look at a different but super super important area as well yeah

 

super super important area as well yeah so very nice to see you to meet you I am

 

so very nice to see you to meet you I am Veronica um and I am the global

 

Veronica um and I am the global deforestation and conversion free on our

 

 

deforestation and conversion free on our supply chains agenda in WWF

 

supply chains agenda in WWF International which as Mary says is a

 

International which as Mary says is a key agenda for our organization and is

 

key agenda for our organization and is making sure that we are working on the

 

 

making sure that we are working on the transformation of our food Food Systems

 

 

transformation of our food Food Systems and making more sustainable our

 

and making more sustainable our consumption and production patterns

 

consumption and production patterns which is a key thing if we want to

 

which is a key thing if we want to restore the forest and the other

 

 

restore the forest and the other ecosystems that we are living

 

 

ecosystems that we are living in so I think one of the things that um

 

 

in so I think one of the things that um was very clear to me when I joined WWF

 

 

was very clear to me when I joined WWF I’m a slightly newer Panda more recent

 

 

I’m a slightly newer Panda more recent Panda was yeah how much work there is

 

 

Panda was yeah how much work there is that goes on around how connected what’s

 

 

that goes on around how connected what’s happening in our forests are to our food

 

happening in our forests are to our food system so it might it might be a

 

 

system so it might it might be a surprise to some of our um some of our

 

surprise to some of our um some of our folks watching so we’re going to talk

 

folks watching so we’re going to talk about that a bit more later on um

 

about that a bit more later on um actually because we spent quite a lot of

 

actually because we spent quite a lot of time talking about trees actually I’m

 

 

time talking about trees actually I’m just G to go ahead and say

 

just G to go ahead and say that so um while we’re waiting for

 

 

that so um while we’re waiting for people to join and before we go on to to

 

people to join and before we go on to to the main Q&A um I thought it would be

 

the main Q&A um I thought it would be really good to actually talk about the

 

 

really good to actually talk about the trees that were near us when we when we

 

 

trees that were near us when we when we grew up CU I know we talked about this

 

 

grew up CU I know we talked about this and that you know I remember the trees

 

and that you know I remember the trees from my childhood and I think they were

 

 

from my childhood and I think they were really important in turning me into

 

 

really important in turning me into somebody who wanted to work on on the SS

 

somebody who wanted to work on on the SS behind our our um trees and I know we

 

 

behind our our um trees and I know we both grew up in cities but cities on

 

both grew up in cities but cities on opposite sides of the ocean so I grew up

 

 

opposite sides of the ocean so I grew up in Manchester um in the north of of

 

 

in Manchester um in the north of of England and the in quite a suburb and

 

 

England and the in quite a suburb and you know not not in a particularly green

 

 

you know not not in a particularly green part but there were these big beautiful

 

part but there were these big beautiful Elm trees all along the street that I

 

 

Elm trees all along the street that I lived on and when we were kids our whole

 

lived on and when we were kids our whole life revolved around these Elm trees we

 

life revolved around these Elm trees we played games hide and seek behind them

 

 

played games hide and seek behind them and we invented this whole world where

 

and we invented this whole world where people lived in the bark like you do

 

people lived in the bark like you do when you’re were a child and then when

 

when you’re were a child and then when when I was about 10 like a lots of trees

 

when I was about 10 like a lots of trees in the UK they got Dutch elm disease and

 

 

in the UK they got Dutch elm disease and I remember really clearly the whole

 

 

I remember really clearly the whole street having to be filed in W go and

 

 

street having to be filed in W go and suddenly these trees were kind of gone

 

 

suddenly these trees were kind of gone from my life so I remember those trees

 

from my life so I remember those trees really clearly when I was when I was a

 

really clearly when I was when I was a child but what what trees were you grew

 

child but what what trees were you grew up in a very different place yeah so

 

up in a very different place yeah so mine are is the tropical forest I was

 

 

mine are is the tropical forest I was from I am from bot and I grew up in bota

 

from I am from bot and I grew up in bota and there um my absolute favorite tree

 

and there um my absolute favorite tree is the jaruma tree which the scientific

 

is the jaruma tree which the scientific name is copia Pata um and yeah it’s

 

 

name is copia Pata um and yeah it’s something that really connects me to

 

 

something that really connects me to home whenever I’m in Colombia whenever I

 

home whenever I’m in Colombia whenever I see a jumo it connects me to what I’m

 

 

see a jumo it connects me to what I’m doing it reminds me of why I love nature

 

 

doing it reminds me of why I love nature so much and how important it is to

 

so much and how important it is to protect a trees and ecosystem so it’s

 

protect a trees and ecosystem so it’s been something that has been connecting

 

 

been something that has been connecting me to this sector and this field of work

 

me to this sector and this field of work since I was very very young so it has a

 

since I was very very young so it has a very personal meaning but professional

 

 

very personal meaning but professional meaning to me um and yeah it’s it’s a

 

meaning to me um and yeah it’s it’s a great memory that I have whenever I see

 

great memory that I have whenever I see them a Juma tree are they really big

 

 

them a Juma tree are they really big trees or they yeah they’re massive trees

 

 

trees or they yeah they’re massive trees they can have like green leaves or

 

 

they can have like green leaves or silver leaves U so they can call them

 

 

silver leaves U so they can call them like the white jumo or silver jumo which

 

 

like the white jumo or silver jumo which beautiful and sometimes they call it

 

 

beautiful and sometimes they call it like the bear claw because they look

 

 

like the bear claw because they look like a bear claw they’re massive they

 

like a bear claw they’re massive they have five yeah they have like big ones

 

have five yeah they have like big ones so yeah this it’s a great one it’s a

 

so yeah this it’s a great one it’s a great memory for

 

great memory for me yeah we I think um and share our

 

 

me yeah we I think um and share our share your memories of of the trees that

 

share your memories of of the trees that were around you when you were a child in

 

 

were around you when you were a child in the in the chat and we’d love to love to

 

the in the chat and we’d love to love to hear about more trees from your

 

hear about more trees from your childhood um so we really want to thank

 

childhood um so we really want to thank you for all your thoughts and questions

 

 

you for all your thoughts and questions so lots of you over over the past few

 

 

so lots of you over over the past few months have shown how How Deeply that

 

 

months have shown how How Deeply that you care about the trees and forests in

 

 

you care about the trees and forests in your lives and these issues that that

 

your lives and these issues that that we’re talking about um so we’re going to

 

 

we’re talking about um so we’re going to we’re going to dive in and talk a little

 

 

we’re going to dive in and talk a little bit

bit

 

 

about the big cop going on at the moment I think how me which may I say Mary has

 

 

I think how me which may I say Mary has bravely just arrived from cop she just

 

 

bravely just arrived from cop she just landed from from a plane here so we’re

 

 

landed from from a plane here so we’re very grateful to have her and you have

 

 

very grateful to have her and you have all of the insights yes you have all of

 

 

all of the insights yes you have all of the insights from cop so we’re very much

 

the insights from cop so we’re very much looking forward how it was to hear how

 

 

looking forward how it was to hear how it was and and all of the events that

 

 

it was and and all of the events that happened around cop and so so trees

 

 

happened around cop and so so trees forests were a very big part of of this

 

forests were a very big part of of this cop I should say it’s still going on um

 

cop I should say it’s still going on um very often um the scientists tend to

 

very often um the scientists tend to leave before the whole conference

 

leave before the whole conference finishes because that’s when the the

 

 

finishes because that’s when the the real negotiations ramp up and we’ll be

 

 

real negotiations ramp up and we’ll be our friends who are in the negotiation

 

our friends who are in the negotiation teams will not be getting a lot of sleep

 

 

teams will not be getting a lot of sleep um over the next few nights um and big

 

 

um over the next few nights um and big shout out and hello hello to them and

 

shout out and hello hello to them and lots of love because they’re still

 

 

lots of love because they’re still working very hard so wwsp asks for

 

 

working very hard so wwsp asks for global leaders and businesses at this

 

 

global leaders and businesses at this cop was to really secure the end of

 

 

cop was to really secure the end of deforestation because something really

 

 

deforestation because something really big happened some of you fored Glasgow

 

big happened some of you fored Glasgow cop um that was in the UK two years ago

 

cop um that was in the UK two years ago will probably remember this there was

 

will probably remember this there was this big commitment with Glasgow leaders

 

this big commitment with Glasgow leaders declaration to commit to end

 

declaration to commit to end deforestation to Halt it and reverse it

 

deforestation to Halt it and reverse it by

 

 

by 2013 and actually in relation to the

 

2013 and actually in relation to the work that you do Veronica there was

 

 

work that you do Veronica there was quite an exciting announcement in

 

 

quite an exciting announcement in relation to to deforestation and

 

 

relation to to deforestation and conversion free action cop as well

 

 

conversion free action cop as well wasn’t there tell about that yeah

 

 

wasn’t there tell about that yeah absolutely so um it was a great news

 

absolutely so um it was a great news that the UK government through the defra

 

 

that the UK government through the defra department announced some additional

 

department announced some additional details on the UK due diligence

 

 

details on the UK due diligence regulation on Forest risk Commodities so

 

regulation on Forest risk Commodities so there are two points that we wanted to

 

there are two points that we wanted to highlight on this due diligence

 

highlight on this due diligence regulation because it’s been much um

 

regulation because it’s been much um waited for everybody we were expecting

 

waited for everybody we were expecting to to listen to what the UK government

 

 

to to listen to what the UK government had to say about this and so the forest

 

 

had to say about this and so the forest RIS Commodities scheme will be

 

 

RIS Commodities scheme will be introduced through the of schedule 17 in

 

introduced through the of schedule 17 in the environment act in 2021 and the

 

the environment act in 2021 and the secondary legislation is meant to

 

 

secondary legislation is meant to operationalize those Provisions um in

 

 

operationalize those Provisions um in the next parliamentary times and we got

 

the next parliamentary times and we got some more information on the full list

 

 

some more information on the full list of Commodities and the common in scope

 

of Commodities and the common in scope which will be non-dairy cattle products

 

 

which will be non-dairy cattle products so beef and leather cocoa palm and soy

 

so beef and leather cocoa palm and soy and this regulation is really critical H

 

 

and this regulation is really critical H because WWF has estimated that between

 

 

because WWF has estimated that between 2016 and 2018

 

2016 and 2018 around 21 million hectares so roughly

 

around 21 million hectares so roughly the area almost the size of the UK was

 

 

the area almost the size of the UK was required each year to meet UK demand for

 

required each year to meet UK demand for seven forestry Commodities alone so this

 

 

seven forestry Commodities alone so this is absolutely critical and we are very

 

 

is absolutely critical and we are very keen and hopeful that the UK government

 

 

keen and hopeful that the UK government can move ahead with the secondary

 

can move ahead with the secondary legislation that we so much need for to

 

 

legislation that we so much need for to advance on this agenda so that would

 

 

advance on this agenda so that would mean um essentially this was about

 

 

mean um essentially this was about ensuring that when we when we buy

 

 

ensuring that when we when we buy products in the UK we can be confident

 

 

products in the UK we can be confident that those products haven’t been

 

 

that those products haven’t been associated with legal deforestation

 

 

associated with legal deforestation because I think for a lot of people you

 

 

because I think for a lot of people you might not be aware that you could be

 

might not be aware that you could be buying something yeah that that could

 

 

buying something yeah that that could have been associated with land being

 

have been associated with land being cleared illegally

 

 

cleared illegally overseas um but I wanted to ask you

 

 

overseas um but I wanted to ask you about another part of of deforestation

 

 

about another part of of deforestation and conversion fre as well because it

 

 

and conversion fre as well because it that’s the that’s the legislation that

 

that’s the that’s the legislation that that addresses illegal deforestation but

 

that addresses illegal deforestation but actually there’s a bigger issue as well

 

 

actually there’s a bigger issue as well isn’t there that I know a lot of your

 

 

isn’t there that I know a lot of your your work is on because at the moment a

 

your work is on because at the moment a lot of our trade and a lot of our

 

lot of our trade and a lot of our financial and subsidy systems actually

 

 

financial and subsidy systems actually support the conversion of forest to grow

 

support the conversion of forest to grow food but that’s so do you want to tell

 

 

food but that’s so do you want to tell tell us a little bit more about that

 

 

tell us a little bit more about that issue so that so the legal deforestation

 

issue so that so the legal deforestation and and what sort of work we’re doing to

 

and and what sort of work we’re doing to try and ensure because really we need

 

try and ensure because really we need all deforestation to stop ultimately

 

 

all deforestation to stop ultimately don’t we yes and I I think as ww have

 

 

don’t we yes and I I think as ww have been we we’ve been working a lot um on

 

been we we’ve been working a lot um on reviewing and assessing the EU du

 

reviewing and assessing the EU du legislation which um is is as well very

 

legislation which um is is as well very relevant in the space and it’s covering

 

relevant in the space and it’s covering both illegal and legal deforestation

 

both illegal and legal deforestation mainly because of what Mary just

 

 

mainly because of what Mary just explained so we are hoping or we are

 

explained so we are hoping or we are identifying that the UK due diligence

 

 

identifying that the UK due diligence legislation as it is it’s only covering

 

 

legislation as it is it’s only covering illegal deforestation so there is a

 

illegal deforestation so there is a loophole to be addressed and and we need

 

 

loophole to be addressed and and we need to assess ways on how to then um

 

to assess ways on how to then um identify those legal ER ways of clear

 

identify those legal ER ways of clear and the Forest L because at the moment

 

 

and the Forest L because at the moment in many of the producing countries it’s

 

 

in many of the producing countries it’s not so easy to tell when the forestation

 

not so easy to tell when the forestation is illegal or legal um or many of the

 

 

is illegal or legal um or many of the legal Frameworks or regulations that are

 

legal Frameworks or regulations that are in place in those producing countries um

 

 

in place in those producing countries um are sometimes incentivizing

 

 

are sometimes incentivizing deforestation or do not have the strong

 

deforestation or do not have the strong robust Frameworks that we need so it is

 

robust Frameworks that we need so it is something that we need to be mindful of

 

something that we need to be mindful of and it’s something that the organization

 

 

and it’s something that the organization has been flagging um and and we do the

 

 

has been flagging um and and we do the end need a full scope of legal and

 

 

end need a full scope of legal and illegal deforestation to be covered in

 

illegal deforestation to be covered in these kinds of of regulations and

 

 

these kinds of of regulations and Frameworks I know one of the things we

 

Frameworks I know one of the things we looked at in Pathways as well that I

 

looked at in Pathways as well that I know was um a big number a big

 

know was um a big number a big realization actually that the amount of

 

 

realization actually that the amount of forest positive funding that we put in

 

forest positive funding that we put in so so funding that helps us to protect

 

 

so so funding that helps us to protect and to restore forest is vastly vastly

 

and to restore forest is vastly vastly outweighed by this massive amount of

 

 

outweighed by this massive amount of precisely the kinds of subsidies that

 

 

precisely the kinds of subsidies that you were talking about that incentivize

 

you were talking about that incentivize the conversion of forest and it’s at

 

 

the conversion of forest and it’s at least a hundred times more funding goes

 

least a hundred times more funding goes into those activities so really really

 

into those activities so really really big reforms needed to you know it’s it’s

 

 

big reforms needed to you know it’s it’s our whole way of our whole food system

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our whole way of our whole food system

our whole way of our whole food system really that that comes into play when we

really that that comes into play when we

really that that comes into play when we think about these these Forest

think about these these Forest

think about these these Forest issues so I really enjoyed hearing about

issues so I really enjoyed hearing about

issues so I really enjoyed hearing about the Trees of your childhood but we

the Trees of your childhood but we

the Trees of your childhood but we should start and move on to um to some

should start and move on to um to some

should start and move on to um to some of these questions um so hi again if you

of these questions um so hi again if you

of these questions um so hi again if you are just joining us you have joined the

are just joining us you have joined the

are just joining us you have joined the WWF expert Q&A on how can we protect and

WWF expert Q&A on how can we protect and

WWF expert Q&A on how can we protect and restore our

restore our

restore our forests um and we’re going to move on I

forests um and we’re going to move on I

forests um and we’re going to move on I think I think you’ve got the first

think I think you’ve got the first

think I think you’ve got the first question I’m stop talking no wor don’t

question I’m stop talking no wor don’t

question I’m stop talking no wor don’t no I’m going to start the questions and

no I’m going to start the questions and

no I’m going to start the questions and and Mary as one of the leading authors

and Mary as one of the leading authors

and Mary as one of the leading authors of the forest Pathways report we’re very

of the forest Pathways report we’re very

of the forest Pathways report we’re very keen for her to answer some questions

keen for her to answer some questions

keen for her to answer some questions that we have so let’s get started give

that we have so let’s get started give

that we have so let’s get started give me a chance to talk about Forest now

me a chance to talk about Forest now

me a chance to talk about Forest now let’s do it so I wanted to ask you ER by

let’s do it so I wanted to ask you ER by

let’s do it so I wanted to ask you ER by asking how can we restore the forest we

asking how can we restore the forest we

asking how can we restore the forest we are implying that forests around the

are implying that forests around the

are implying that forests around the world are not in the best shape so if we

world are not in the best shape so if we

world are not in the best shape so if we look at the snapshot of the state of the

look at the snapshot of the state of the

look at the snapshot of the state of the forest and the current state up Forest

forest and the current state up Forest

forest and the current state up Forest what do we

what do we

what do we see yeah I mean there’s really no other

see yeah I mean there’s really no other

see yeah I mean there’s really no other way to say it than when when we look at

way to say it than when when we look at

way to say it than when when we look at the kind of state of play and where we

the kind of state of play and where we

the kind of state of play and where we are our forests are not in great shape

are our forests are not in great shape

are our forests are not in great shape and particularly when we look at where

and particularly when we look at where

and particularly when we look at where we are in terms of making progress

we are in terms of making progress

we are in terms of making progress towards meeting those 203 goals to do

towards meeting those 203 goals to do

towards meeting those 203 goals to do two really big things first of all

two really big things first of all

two really big things first of all actually haling deforestation and then

actually haling deforestation and then

actually haling deforestation and then giving nature space to recover and

giving nature space to recover and

giving nature space to recover and restore what what we’ve lost um and even

restore what what we’ve lost um and even

restore what what we’ve lost um and even just taking the values of forest loss

just taking the values of forest loss

just taking the values of forest loss from 2022 so when we launched our big

from 2022 so when we launched our big

from 2022 so when we launched our big Forest Pathways report we co-launched

Forest Pathways report we co-launched

Forest Pathways report we co-launched with a global assessment that happens

with a global assessment that happens

with a global assessment that happens every year called the forest exporation

every year called the forest exporation

every year called the forest exporation assessment so the forest exporation

assessment so the forest exporation

assessment so the forest exporation assessment every year look

assessment every year look

assessment every year look quantitatively across the planet and say

quantitatively across the planet and say

quantitatively across the planet and say how how much Forest have we lost where

how how much Forest have we lost where

how how much Forest have we lost where is Forest coming back and how are we

is Forest coming back and how are we

is Forest coming back and how are we tracking progress towards that 2030 goal

tracking progress towards that 2030 goal

tracking progress towards that 2030 goal so just in

so just in

so just in 2022 we lost 6.6 million hectares of

2022 we lost 6.6 million hectares of

2022 we lost 6.6 million hectares of forest and critically that primary

forest and critically that primary

forest and critically that primary tropical forest loss so our tropical

tropical forest loss so our tropical

tropical forest loss so our tropical forests are one of the most important

forests are one of the most important

forests are one of the most important Forest Types on the planet they’re where

Forest Types on the planet they’re where

Forest Types on the planet they’re where this huge amount of carbon gets stored

this huge amount of carbon gets stored

this huge amount of carbon gets stored they’re critical for stabilizing whole

they’re critical for stabilizing whole

they’re critical for stabilizing whole climate of our planet the amounts of

climate of our planet the amounts of

climate of our planet the amounts of water that move through their Forest

water that move through their Forest

water that move through their Forest their critical for the peoples who who

their critical for the peoples who who

their critical for the peoples who who live in those virs and depend on them

live in those virs and depend on them

live in those virs and depend on them and also support a huge huge amount of

and also support a huge huge amount of

and also support a huge huge amount of Nature and biodiversity so those those

Nature and biodiversity so those those

Nature and biodiversity so those those super precious primary tral forests we

super precious primary tral forests we

super precious primary tral forests we lost 4.1 million hectares an area size

lost 4.1 million hectares an area size

lost 4.1 million hectares an area size of Denmark in just one year

of Denmark in just one year

of Denmark in just one year so the position when we started that

so the position when we started that

so the position when we started that report was to say look we we’re just not

report was to say look we we’re just not

report was to say look we we’re just not making progress at the pace and the

making progress at the pace and the

making progress at the pace and the scale that we need to and critically the

scale that we need to and critically the

scale that we need to and critically the loss of that super IR replaceable

loss of that super IR replaceable

loss of that super IR replaceable primary tropical forest is is way way

primary tropical forest is is way way

primary tropical forest is is way way bigger than it needs to be and the real

bigger than it needs to be and the real

bigger than it needs to be and the real challenge is every year between now and

challenge is every year between now and

challenge is every year between now and 2030 that we don’t make progress the

2030 that we don’t make progress the

2030 that we don’t make progress the targets for the next year are harder to

targets for the next year are harder to

targets for the next year are harder to reach because we’ve got to reduce

reach because we’ve got to reduce

reach because we’ve got to reduce deforestation even more so I guess um

deforestation even more so I guess um

deforestation even more so I guess um that was that was the kind of starting

that was that was the kind of starting

that was that was the kind of starting place for for our report really wasn’t

place for for our report really wasn’t

place for for our report really wasn’t it to say what position are we in and

it to say what position are we in and

it to say what position are we in and and how do we have conversations about

and how do we have conversations about

and how do we have conversations about getting into a better place so that

getting into a better place so that

getting into a better place so that we’re not seeing those terrible results

we’re not seeing those terrible results

we’re not seeing those terrible results year on year yeah what I liked as well

year on year yeah what I liked as well

year on year yeah what I liked as well about the report is that it’s solution

about the report is that it’s solution

about the report is that it’s solution driven and action driven so although it

driven and action driven so although it

driven and action driven so although it does mention the current state of the

does mention the current state of the

does mention the current state of the forest what I really like about this

forest what I really like about this

forest what I really like about this report it goes a Step Beyond to say okay

report it goes a Step Beyond to say okay

report it goes a Step Beyond to say okay what’s needed then what are the

what’s needed then what are the

what’s needed then what are the solutions that we’re proposing what are

solutions that we’re proposing what are

solutions that we’re proposing what are the things that we’re looking in the

the things that we’re looking in the

the things that we’re looking in the ground that are working so we also have

ground that are working so we also have

ground that are working so we also have some Hope on what’s what’s coming up

some Hope on what’s what’s coming up

some Hope on what’s what’s coming up because otherwise the picture is quite

because otherwise the picture is quite

because otherwise the picture is quite Bleak and it can be very very depressing

Bleak and it can be very very depressing

Bleak and it can be very very depressing um so I like the balance that the reward

um so I like the balance that the reward

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um so I like the balance that the reward has managed and we always describe

has managed and we always describe

has managed and we always describe forest Pathways as we were trying to

forest Pathways as we were trying to

forest Pathways as we were trying to derive a blueprints green print maybe of

derive a blueprints green print maybe of

derive a blueprints green print maybe of where we go from here um but before we

where we go from here um but before we

where we go from here um but before we before we move on to as usual we’re

before we move on to as usual we’re

before we move on to as usual we’re going to get the glue I can see it’s I’m

going to get the glue I can see it’s I’m

going to get the glue I can see it’s I’m wearing a piece of paper at me and I’m

wearing a piece of paper at me and I’m

wearing a piece of paper at me and I’m not very subtly going to do that to take

not very subtly going to do that to take

not very subtly going to do that to take it um so yeah before we move on to the

it um so yeah before we move on to the

it um so yeah before we move on to the kind of stories of Hope and restoration

kind of stories of Hope and restoration

kind of stories of Hope and restoration which like you say are super important

which like you say are super important

which like you say are super important because they are out there there some

because they are out there there some

because they are out there there some amazing amazing forest positive work

amazing amazing forest positive work

amazing amazing forest positive work going on around the world um do you want

going on around the world um do you want

going on around the world um do you want to take us through the Gloom take us

to take us through the Gloom take us

to take us through the Gloom take us through the global threats of Foresta

through the global threats of Foresta

through the global threats of Foresta facing right now good yes um so just to

facing right now good yes um so just to

facing right now good yes um so just to set the the scene before talking about

set the the scene before talking about

set the the scene before talking about the threats I just wanted to mention um

the threats I just wanted to mention um

the threats I just wanted to mention um the value of forest so forests are home

the value of forest so forests are home

the value of forest so forests are home to 47 million people they are directly

to 47 million people they are directly

to 47 million people they are directly generating over 250 billion in economic

generating over 250 billion in economic

generating over 250 billion in economic activity each year and estimated value

activity each year and estimated value

activity each year and estimated value is 50 trillion US dollar so it’s the

is 50 trillion US dollar so it’s the

is 50 trillion US dollar so it’s the double of the total value of global

double of the total value of global

double of the total value of global stocks um however they’re in they’re

stocks um however they’re in they’re

stocks um however they’re in they’re very impacted as you know by climate

very impacted as you know by climate

very impacted as you know by climate change by deforestation by degradation

change by deforestation by degradation

change by deforestation by degradation um and across the world we’re seeing uh

um and across the world we’re seeing uh

um and across the world we’re seeing uh so much damage um mainly through climate

so much damage um mainly through climate

so much damage um mainly through climate change so climate change uh as many

change so climate change uh as many

change so climate change uh as many organizations and and many stakeholders

organizations and and many stakeholders

organizations and and many stakeholders across the world have been flagging for

across the world have been flagging for

across the world have been flagging for several years is the most serious threat

several years is the most serious threat

several years is the most serious threat to forest and ecosystems in the medium

to forest and ecosystems in the medium

to forest and ecosystems in the medium term and Mary has mentioned already some

term and Mary has mentioned already some

term and Mary has mentioned already some of the impacts including Wildfire

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of the impacts including Wildfire

of the impacts including Wildfire systems increase um in those extreme

systems increase um in those extreme

systems increase um in those extreme weather events hotter drought pest

weather events hotter drought pest

weather events hotter drought pest disease um but these are also

disease um but these are also

disease um but these are also challenges that are um linked to

challenges that are um linked to

challenges that are um linked to underlying causes of deforestation and

underlying causes of deforestation and

underlying causes of deforestation and those ones I think are the ones that are

those ones I think are the ones that are

those ones I think are the ones that are very detail uh detailedly explained in

very detail uh detailedly explained in

very detail uh detailedly explained in their report um mainly agriculture so

their report um mainly agriculture so

their report um mainly agriculture so not surprisingly um agriculture is by

not surprisingly um agriculture is by

not surprisingly um agriculture is by far the largest driver of tropical

far the largest driver of tropical

far the largest driver of tropical deforestation across the world food

deforestation across the world food

deforestation across the world food consumption has risen twice as fast as

consumption has risen twice as fast as

consumption has risen twice as fast as the global population over TW over the

the global population over TW over the

the global population over TW over the past 20 years so that sorry get that one

past 20 years so that sorry get that one

past 20 years so that sorry get that one for me again so the amount of food that

for me again so the amount of food that

for me again so the amount of food that we that we consume has gone up twice as

we that we consume has gone up twice as

we that we consume has gone up twice as fast as the over population so that’s

fast as the over population so that’s

fast as the over population so that’s massive and exactly there’s so much

massive and exactly there’s so much

massive and exactly there’s so much production happening and the

production happening and the

production happening and the environmental regulation environmental

environmental regulation environmental

environmental regulation environmental criteria the sustainability conditions

criteria the sustainability conditions

criteria the sustainability conditions are not yet in place to make sure that

are not yet in place to make sure that

are not yet in place to make sure that it’s a sustainable production and

it’s a sustainable production and

it’s a sustainable production and consumption pattern and soy cattle and

consumption pattern and soy cattle and

consumption pattern and soy cattle and palm oil are often quoted as the top

palm oil are often quoted as the top

palm oil are often quoted as the top three commodity drivers of forest and

three commodity drivers of forest and

three commodity drivers of forest and ecosystem loss which is why WWF is

ecosystem loss which is why WWF is

ecosystem loss which is why WWF is making so many or so much effort in

making so many or so much effort in

making so many or so much effort in those Commodities as well as other

those Commodities as well as other

those Commodities as well as other Commodities but has um a massive amount

Commodities but has um a massive amount

Commodities but has um a massive amount of work throughout the network to

of work throughout the network to

of work throughout the network to address many of the issues that’s

address many of the issues that’s

address many of the issues that’s happening in those

happening in those

happening in those Commodities a a one that’s massive as

Commodities a a one that’s massive as

Commodities a a one that’s massive as land grabbing and for me Colombian land

land grabbing and for me Colombian land

land grabbing and for me Colombian land grabbing is is the mainest what does

grabbing is is the mainest what does

grabbing is is the mainest what does that mean that might not if that maybe

that mean that might not if that maybe

that mean that might not if that maybe isn’t a term that that people are

isn’t a term that that people are

isn’t a term that that people are familiar with what what does land

familiar with what what does land

familiar with what what does land grabbing mean so land grabbing is um

grabbing mean so land grabbing is um

grabbing mean so land grabbing is um land clearing so clearing a piece of

land clearing so clearing a piece of

land clearing so clearing a piece of land or a land clear systems in order to

land or a land clear systems in order to

land or a land clear systems in order to it could be to expand the agricultural

it could be to expand the agricultural

it could be to expand the agricultural Frontier it could be to establish a

Frontier it could be to establish a

Frontier it could be to establish a production model so a cattle wrenching

production model so a cattle wrenching

production model so a cattle wrenching system or a livestock system or a crop

system or a livestock system or a crop

system or a livestock system or a crop um but it also and we’ve seen that

um but it also and we’ve seen that

um but it also and we’ve seen that through many of the regions that are

through many of the regions that are

through many of the regions that are facing land grabing issues it can also

facing land grabing issues it can also

facing land grabing issues it can also be a way for illegal groups to disguise

be a way for illegal groups to disguise

be a way for illegal groups to disguise a lot of the actions that they are in

a lot of the actions that they are in

a lot of the actions that they are in attempting to do so either if it is

attempting to do so either if it is

attempting to do so either if it is through corruption systems or money

through corruption systems or money

through corruption systems or money laundering a land grabbing has become a

laundering a land grabbing has become a

laundering a land grabbing has become a way to gain territorial control in many

way to gain territorial control in many

way to gain territorial control in many of the communities where the land has

of the communities where the land has

of the communities where the land has been cleared or to just maintain and

been cleared or to just maintain and

been cleared or to just maintain and continue illicit activities through that

continue illicit activities through that

continue illicit activities through that system so it’s quite a complex one it’s

system so it’s quite a complex one it’s

system so it’s quite a complex one it’s it’s one that we keep assessing and

it’s one that we keep assessing and

it’s one that we keep assessing and analyzing in the different areas of the

analyzing in the different areas of the

analyzing in the different areas of the world because it requires a very complex

world because it requires a very complex

world because it requires a very complex and comprehensive way of tackling it I

and comprehensive way of tackling it I

and comprehensive way of tackling it I guess it changes and it

guess it changes and it

guess it changes and it changes and context so but it is one

changes and context so but it is one

changes and context so but it is one that’s absolutely key for us to to H to

that’s absolutely key for us to to H to

that’s absolutely key for us to to H to keep in mind and then others that of

keep in mind and then others that of

keep in mind and then others that of course have have been flaged in

course have have been flaged in

course have have been flaged in constantly are illegal and legal ways of

constantly are illegal and legal ways of

constantly are illegal and legal ways of mining infrastructure development and

mining infrastructure development and

mining infrastructure development and illegal and legal ways of logging

illegal and legal ways of logging

illegal and legal ways of logging because sometimes we forget about the

because sometimes we forget about the

because sometimes we forget about the legal logging but many of the areas are

legal logging but many of the areas are

legal logging but many of the areas are sometimes cleared for commercial

sometimes cleared for commercial

sometimes cleared for commercial production of trees that are just simply

production of trees that are just simply

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production of trees that are just simply not meant to be there in the first

not meant to be there in the first

not meant to be there in the first place I think it’s really interesting

place I think it’s really interesting

place I think it’s really interesting Veronica when you talk about about this

Veronica when you talk about about this

Veronica when you talk about about this as well because it really brings it

as well because it really brings it

as well because it really brings it really reminds me of one of um the key

really reminds me of one of um the key

really reminds me of one of um the key issues that we looked at in in a broader

issues that we looked at in in a broader

issues that we looked at in in a broader perspective with the pathways report

perspective with the pathways report

perspective with the pathways report that a lot of these really entrenched

that a lot of these really entrenched

that a lot of these really entrenched systems basically just don’t recognize

systems basically just don’t recognize

systems basically just don’t recognize the value of standing forests to the

the value of standing forests to the

the value of standing forests to the indigenous peoples and to the local

indigenous peoples and to the local

indigenous peoples and to the local communities who who depend on them to

communities who who depend on them to

communities who who depend on them to the wildlife to the nature Services all

the wildlife to the nature Services all

the wildlife to the nature Services all of those things that really when the

of those things that really when the

of those things that really when the forest is removed nobody ever pays that

forest is removed nobody ever pays that

forest is removed nobody ever pays that invoice the land is valued more highly

invoice the land is valued more highly

invoice the land is valued more highly for growing crops or or for the elicit

for growing crops or or for the elicit

for growing crops or or for the elicit activities that it’s involved in or for

activities that it’s involved in or for

activities that it’s involved in or for for the minerals in the ground beneath

for the minerals in the ground beneath

for the minerals in the ground beneath the forest so we really have this

the forest so we really have this

the forest so we really have this entrenched system where that total value

entrenched system where that total value

entrenched system where that total value of the forest to all of the people and

of the forest to all of the people and

of the forest to all of the people and nature and the climate climate delivery

nature and the climate climate delivery

nature and the climate climate delivery of that stored carbon and everything

of that stored carbon and everything

of that stored carbon and everything that the forest does just isn’t isn’t

that the forest does just isn’t isn’t

that the forest does just isn’t isn’t seen and it it’s going to take a really

seen and it it’s going to take a really

seen and it it’s going to take a really big change for us to shift to a value

big change for us to shift to a value

big change for us to shift to a value system where where the forest is seen

system where where the forest is seen

system where where the forest is seen for all of its different values rather

for all of its different values rather

for all of its different values rather than the commodity that it could

than the commodity that it could

than the commodity that it could produced by by crop or something like

produced by by crop or something like

produced by by crop or something like that yeah I think that was a really big

that yeah I think that was a really big

that yeah I think that was a really big um a big theme round through round

um a big theme round through round

um a big theme round through round through

through

through the yeah absolutely and I think once we

the yeah absolutely and I think once we

the yeah absolutely and I think once we value the standing forest in a in a

value the standing forest in a in a

value the standing forest in a in a sustainable way but also in a way that

sustainable way but also in a way that

sustainable way but also in a way that can compete with the other economies

can compete with the other economies

can compete with the other economies that’s where it’s going to be a um yeah

that’s where it’s going to be a um yeah

that’s where it’s going to be a um yeah starting to shift the Dynamics because

starting to shift the Dynamics because

starting to shift the Dynamics because as you say we’re not really valuing

as you say we’re not really valuing

as you say we’re not really valuing standing Forest the same way we’re

standing Forest the same way we’re

standing Forest the same way we’re valuing clear LS and actually speaking

valuing clear LS and actually speaking

valuing clear LS and actually speaking of wanting to to be hopeful that gives

of wanting to to be hopeful that gives

of wanting to to be hopeful that gives me a reminder actually to talk about two

me a reminder actually to talk about two

me a reminder actually to talk about two really positive things that that have

really positive things that that have

really positive things that that have happened cop we’re starting to see

happened cop we’re starting to see

happened cop we’re starting to see really great and innovative ideas for

really great and innovative ideas for

really great and innovative ideas for funding standing Forest there were quite

funding standing Forest there were quite

funding standing Forest there were quite a lot that emerged over over the last

a lot that emerged over over the last

a lot that emerged over over the last couple of weeks of CAU and also very

couple of weeks of CAU and also very

couple of weeks of CAU and also very very hot off the press I think the last

very hot off the press I think the last

very hot off the press I think the last update on the global stock tape was

update on the global stock tape was

update on the global stock tape was literally two hours ago and Food Systems

literally two hours ago and Food Systems

literally two hours ago and Food Systems as mentioned so it’s really nice to be

as mentioned so it’s really nice to be

as mentioned so it’s really nice to be able to see some positive elements there

able to see some positive elements there

able to see some positive elements there so I’m holding in my hand a question

so I’m holding in my hand a question

so I’m holding in my hand a question that we’ve received and I will quickly

that we’ve received and I will quickly

that we’ve received and I will quickly try and answer this so we’ve had a

try and answer this so we’ve had a

try and answer this so we’ve had a really really superb and thoughtful

really really superb and thoughtful

really really superb and thoughtful question what is the current rate of

question what is the current rate of

question what is the current rate of deforestation versus restoration so I

deforestation versus restoration so I

deforestation versus restoration so I guess somebody thank you whoever posted

guess somebody thank you whoever posted

guess somebody thank you whoever posted this question um asking you know is is

this question um asking you know is is

this question um asking you know is is this negative or or can we say it’s

this negative or or can we say it’s

this negative or or can we say it’s positive are we restoring more than

positive are we restoring more than

positive are we restoring more than we’re losing unfortunately we are not

we’re losing unfortunately we are not

we’re losing unfortunately we are not yet restoring what we are losing but

yet restoring what we are losing but

yet restoring what we are losing but there are places where Forest is

there are places where Forest is

there are places where Forest is recovering both through natural

recovering both through natural

recovering both through natural regeneration and where act through

regeneration and where act through

regeneration and where act through active restoration so that could include

active restoration so that could include

active restoration so that could include replanting trees um or actually just

replanting trees um or actually just

replanting trees um or actually just giving space for trees to to grow back

giving space for trees to to grow back

giving space for trees to to grow back to regenerate naturally and we are

to regenerate naturally and we are

to regenerate naturally and we are seeing places where forests are coming

seeing places where forests are coming

seeing places where forests are coming back to life so one of the amazing

back to life so one of the amazing

back to life so one of the amazing things about nature is that when it’s

things about nature is that when it’s

things about nature is that when it’s given space it does recover so we’re not

given space it does recover so we’re not

given space it does recover so we’re not quite there yet we are still losing more

quite there yet we are still losing more

quite there yet we are still losing more than we’re gaining but there are

than we’re gaining but there are

than we’re gaining but there are certainly countries in the world a lot

certainly countries in the world a lot

certainly countries in the world a lot of countries in the world actually that

of countries in the world actually that

of countries in the world actually that are reducing their deforestation targets

are reducing their deforestation targets

are reducing their deforestation targets and are restoring what they’ve lost so

and are restoring what they’ve lost so

and are restoring what they’ve lost so so we do have pockets of Hope which

so we do have pockets of Hope which

so we do have pockets of Hope which seges beautifully in so about ways

seges beautifully in so about ways

seges beautifully in so about ways forwards for our forest I guess yes

forwards for our forest I guess yes

forwards for our forest I guess yes perfect so on our way forward for Forest

perfect so on our way forward for Forest

perfect so on our way forward for Forest uh we know we have this incredible

uh we know we have this incredible

uh we know we have this incredible blueprint that tells Global leader

blueprint that tells Global leader

blueprint that tells Global leader businesses and people how to bring

businesses and people how to bring

businesses and people how to bring Forest Back to Life Is there anything

Forest Back to Life Is there anything

Forest Back to Life Is there anything that you think is worth highlighting

that you think is worth highlighting

that you think is worth highlighting here on that pathway of Hope on what we

here on that pathway of Hope on what we

here on that pathway of Hope on what we can do and that call to action yeah

can do and that call to action yeah

can do and that call to action yeah absolutely so you will remember having

absolutely so you will remember having

absolutely so you will remember having having written it and been on our author

having written it and been on our author

having written it and been on our author team with us um we kind of highlighted

team with us um we kind of highlighted

team with us um we kind of highlighted these three really key things um that

these three really key things um that

these three really key things um that absolutely have to happen if we are

absolutely have to happen if we are

absolutely have to happen if we are going to make progress towards those

going to make progress towards those

going to make progress towards those twin goals those those critical lines in

twin goals those those critical lines in

twin goals those those critical lines in the in the forest of halting halting

the in the forest of halting halting

the in the forest of halting halting deforestation and restoring what we’ve

deforestation and restoring what we’ve

deforestation and restoring what we’ve lost and I’m going to look back on the

lost and I’m going to look back on the

lost and I’m going to look back on the first one to what we talked about with

first one to what we talked about with

first one to what we talked about with that huge mismatch between negative and

that huge mismatch between negative and

that huge mismatch between negative and positive for funding we’ve got to see

positive for funding we’ve got to see

positive for funding we’ve got to see halting of harmful finances so so

halting of harmful finances so so

halting of harmful finances so so funding that that pays to convert Forest

funding that that pays to convert Forest

funding that that pays to convert Forest um unsustainably and causes harm and

um unsustainably and causes harm and

um unsustainably and causes harm and some of those subsidies being converted

some of those subsidies being converted

some of those subsidies being converted and repurposed to fund standing forests

and repurposed to fund standing forests

and repurposed to fund standing forests and to fund um you know what’s really

and to fund um you know what’s really

and to fund um you know what’s really important as well is to to fund forested

important as well is to to fund forested

important as well is to to fund forested Nations to make those transitions in

Nations to make those transitions in

Nations to make those transitions in trade systems that we know can happen to

trade systems that we know can happen to

trade systems that we know can happen to sustainable Forest

sustainable Forest

sustainable Forest economies kind of sitting above all of

economies kind of sitting above all of

economies kind of sitting above all of those one of the huge conclusions of the

those one of the huge conclusions of the

those one of the huge conclusions of the report was that we’ve got L to see

report was that we’ve got L to see

report was that we’ve got L to see broader delivery of rights to indigenous

broader delivery of rights to indigenous

broader delivery of rights to indigenous peoples and local communities um who

peoples and local communities um who

peoples and local communities um who live in and who depend on forests all

live in and who depend on forests all

live in and who depend on forests all around the globe and um I wanted to talk

around the globe and um I wanted to talk

around the globe and um I wanted to talk a little bit about that before I move on

a little bit about that before I move on

a little bit about that before I move on Veronica because you you know um far

Veronica because you you know um far

Veronica because you you know um far better than me that th that is a rights

better than me that th that is a rights

better than me that th that is a rights and a justice issue it comes down to

and a justice issue it comes down to

and a justice issue it comes down to climate justice but with the science hat

climate justice but with the science hat

climate justice but with the science hat on we also know when scientists look at

on we also know when scientists look at

on we also know when scientists look at how our forest are doing around the

how our forest are doing around the

how our forest are doing around the globe

globe

globe the tropical forests that are doing best

the tropical forests that are doing best

the tropical forests that are doing best are those that are in indigenous

are those that are in indigenous

are those that are in indigenous territories under the stewardship of

territories under the stewardship of

territories under the stewardship of people so deforestation rates are lower

people so deforestation rates are lower

people so deforestation rates are lower low rates of degradation are lower

low rates of degradation are lower

low rates of degradation are lower across the tropics and Indigenous

across the tropics and Indigenous

across the tropics and Indigenous territories so sitting above as an

territories so sitting above as an

territories so sitting above as an umbrella over all of these different

umbrella over all of these different

umbrella over all of these different recommendations is that delivery of

recommendations is that delivery of

recommendations is that delivery of secure and realized rights for um for

secure and realized rights for um for

secure and realized rights for um for indigenous peoples and and local

indigenous peoples and and local

indigenous peoples and and local communities and forests around the globe

communities and forests around the globe

communities and forests around the globe yeah absolutely and I think we have a

yeah absolutely and I think we have a

yeah absolutely and I think we have a final question before we wrap up so

final question before we wrap up so

final question before we wrap up so they’re asking us we had a suggestion to

they’re asking us we had a suggestion to

they’re asking us we had a suggestion to plant trees immediately everywhere is

plant trees immediately everywhere is

plant trees immediately everywhere is that the answer um I would say depends

that the answer um I would say depends

that the answer um I would say depends depends where depends how depends yeah

depends where depends how depends yeah

depends where depends how depends yeah it it I I wouldn’t say everywhere is the

it it I I wouldn’t say everywhere is the

it it I I wouldn’t say everywhere is the answer it really depends where you do it

answer it really depends where you do it

answer it really depends where you do it and how you do it so so I think um you

and how you do it so so I think um you

and how you do it so so I think um you know this is something that that I I

know this is something that that I I

know this is something that that I I hear a lot we all want to be told what

hear a lot we all want to be told what

hear a lot we all want to be told what what’s the one thing what’s the one

what’s the one thing what’s the one

what’s the one thing what’s the one thing we can do and and as humans all of

thing we can do and and as humans all of

thing we can do and and as humans all of us we like we would rather have a simple

us we like we would rather have a simple

us we like we would rather have a simple answer um and I think for a long time we

answer um and I think for a long time we

answer um and I think for a long time we were told let’s just plant plant plant

were told let’s just plant plant plant

were told let’s just plant plant plant but actually what what we know now is we

but actually what what we know now is we

but actually what what we know now is we have to plant the right tree in the

have to plant the right tree in the

have to plant the right tree in the right place for the right reasons there

right place for the right reasons there

right place for the right reasons there are some places where trees don’t grow

are some places where trees don’t grow

are some places where trees don’t grow naturally um grasslands all of these

naturally um grasslands all of these

naturally um grasslands all of these other habitats and ecosystems are are

other habitats and ecosystems are are

other habitats and ecosystems are are critically important so we don’t want to

critically important so we don’t want to

critically important so we don’t want to just have trees being planted everywhere

just have trees being planted everywhere

just have trees being planted everywhere across the planet one of the things that

across the planet one of the things that

across the planet one of the things that we think about um when we think about

we think about um when we think about

we think about um when we think about how our climate works with forests

how our climate works with forests

how our climate works with forests forests from above are actually really

forests from above are actually really

forests from above are actually really dark so if we plant forest in parts of

dark so if we plant forest in parts of

dark so if we plant forest in parts of the planet which from above are pale the

the planet which from above are pale the

the planet which from above are pale the vegetation on the land surface is pale

vegetation on the land surface is pale

vegetation on the land surface is pale which helps to reflect heat to space we

which helps to reflect heat to space we

which helps to reflect heat to space we would enhance global warming even

would enhance global warming even

would enhance global warming even further so actually we could make some

further so actually we could make some

further so actually we could make some really big mistakes if we adopted plant

really big mistakes if we adopted plant

really big mistakes if we adopted plant trees immediately everywhere yeah um

trees immediately everywhere yeah um

trees immediately everywhere yeah um countries yes but do know where and how

countries yes but do know where and how

countries yes but do know where and how immediately yes again where how and

immediately yes again where how and

immediately yes again where how and everywhere no it really depends on on

everywhere no it really depends on on

everywhere no it really depends on on the area it’s about giving trees space

the area it’s about giving trees space

the area it’s about giving trees space to recover where they would be naturally

to recover where they would be naturally

to recover where they would be naturally and then assisting that restoration and

and then assisting that restoration and

and then assisting that restoration and that recovery where we can so um again

that recovery where we can so um again

that recovery where we can so um again it’s one of those things where it’s it’s

it’s one of those things where it’s it’s

it’s one of those things where it’s it’s a little bit more complicated that we

a little bit more complicated that we

a little bit more complicated that we would all rather have naturally we would

would all rather have naturally we would

would all rather have naturally we would like a simple answer of let’s just just

like a simple answer of let’s just just

like a simple answer of let’s just just frantically plant everywhere but we know

frantically plant everywhere but we know

frantically plant everywhere but we know that actually doesn’t help us

that actually doesn’t help us

that actually doesn’t help us stabilize our climate and and restore

stabilize our climate and and restore

stabilize our climate and and restore nature if we don’t get our planting

nature if we don’t get our planting

nature if we don’t get our planting right yeah but that’s a great question

right yeah but that’s a great question

right yeah but that’s a great question thank you I think that’s the biggest

thank you I think that’s the biggest

thank you I think that’s the biggest segue just to end this on a reminder on

segue just to end this on a reminder on

segue just to end this on a reminder on the deforestation and conversion free

the deforestation and conversion free

the deforestation and conversion free agenda of this commodity supply chain

agenda of this commodity supply chain

agenda of this commodity supply chain um issues because it’s not only about

um issues because it’s not only about

um issues because it’s not only about Forest it’s about other natural

Forest it’s about other natural

Forest it’s about other natural ecosystems and it’s it’s critical that

ecosystems and it’s it’s critical that

ecosystems and it’s it’s critical that we maintain and we keep this in the

we maintain and we keep this in the

we maintain and we keep this in the narratives when discussing about this

narratives when discussing about this

narratives when discussing about this issu issues at the global level so I

issu issues at the global level so I

issu issues at the global level so I think it is a great question for us to

think it is a great question for us to

think it is a great question for us to then say we also need to ensure that

then say we also need to ensure that

then say we also need to ensure that those other natural ecosystems and non-

those other natural ecosystems and non-

those other natural ecosystems and non- wooded lands are covered into the

wooded lands are covered into the

wooded lands are covered into the narratives and the agendas that are

narratives and the agendas that are

narratives and the agendas that are discussing this great issue um in the

discussing this great issue um in the

discussing this great issue um in the international force and particularly so

international force and particularly so

international force and particularly so important in um in the Amazon region

important in um in the Amazon region

important in um in the Amazon region where we know we’ve heard some real

where we know we’ve heard some real

where we know we’ve heard some real progress and deforestation rates coming

progress and deforestation rates coming

progress and deforestation rates coming down in in some ecosystems but then

down in in some ecosystems but then

down in in some ecosystems but then going up massively in other types of

going up massively in other types of

going up massively in other types of ecosystems the SAR the types so what we

ecosystems the SAR the types so what we

ecosystems the SAR the types so what we and I when I when I hear this word

and I when I when I hear this word

and I when I when I hear this word Veronica reminds me of how unbelievably

Veronica reminds me of how unbelievably

Veronica reminds me of how unbelievably difficult your job is what we need to do

difficult your job is what we need to do

difficult your job is what we need to do is make sure that when we halt

is make sure that when we halt

is make sure that when we halt deforestation in one area it doesn’t

deforestation in one area it doesn’t

deforestation in one area it doesn’t just spill over to another area it must

just spill over to another area it must

just spill over to another area it must feel like you’re chasing constantly to

feel like you’re chasing constantly to

feel like you’re chasing constantly to try and make sure that you don’t get

try and make sure that you don’t get

try and make sure that you don’t get that that spillage as it’s referred to

that that spillage as it’s referred to

that that spillage as it’s referred to into other biomes not a simple problem

into other biomes not a simple problem

into other biomes not a simple problem the puzzle the puzzle which again is

the puzzle the puzzle which again is

the puzzle the puzzle which again is shown in the report I think it’s a great

shown in the report I think it’s a great

shown in the report I think it’s a great way to understand um how to address the

way to understand um how to address the

way to understand um how to address the yeah so I guess we are just about out of

yeah so I guess we are just about out of

yeah so I guess we are just about out of time um so I’m going to thank you all

time um so I’m going to thank you all

time um so I’m going to thank you all thank you to everybody who tuned in and

thank you to everybody who tuned in and

thank you to everybody who tuned in and submitted questions today we we’ve

submitted questions today we we’ve

submitted questions today we we’ve really really enjoyed reading your

really really enjoyed reading your

really really enjoyed reading your questions and and your comments and we

questions and and your comments and we

questions and and your comments and we really hope that we leave you a bit more

really hope that we leave you a bit more

really hope that we leave you a bit more hopeful about the future of our forests

hopeful about the future of our forests

hopeful about the future of our forests um yeah we do like Veronica said we do

um yeah we do like Veronica said we do

um yeah we do like Veronica said we do know what we need to do we do have ways

know what we need to do we do have ways

know what we need to do we do have ways to move forward um and we have examples

to move forward um and we have examples

to move forward um and we have examples of places where forests are being

of places where forests are being

of places where forests are being brought back to life around world and

brought back to life around world and

brought back to life around world and we’re seeing the recovery of Nature and

we’re seeing the recovery of Nature and

we’re seeing the recovery of Nature and the recovery um of those those beautiful

the recovery um of those those beautiful

the recovery um of those those beautiful forest

forest

forest ecosystems yeah so if you would like to

ecosystems yeah so if you would like to

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